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WISA OGM 28/11/2002

Wimbledon Independent Supporters Association

Ordinary General Meeting

Drake House, St. George’s Road, Wimbledon
Thursday 28 November, 2002 at 8.00 p.m.

MINUTES


1. Preliminaries

Venue
Nicole Hammond thanked the Wimbledon Guild for the use of their hall this evening and Fran O’Toole for making the arrangements.

Late notice of meeting
Since we only gave two weeks, rather than the required four weeks’ written notice, we may be in breach of the constitution. A vote was therefore taken on whether we should continue with this meeting or call another, giving sufficient notice. The meeting voted to continue.

2. Apologies for absence received
Charlie Bell, Graeme Boulton, Karen D’Amico, Alan Edwards, Mark Lewis and Les Shears.

3. Minutes of last meeting
The minutes of the last meeting (OGM on 29 August) were agreed and there were no matters arising.

4. Treasurer’s report
Peter Bowles reported spending on items over £500 during the period July to September as:

Open-top bus for the Football League Chairmens’ protest: £500
White Plough Lane T-shirts: £593.96
Anti-franchising T-shirts: £1,888.68

Obviously, spending on T-shirts was recouped by sales, including a contribution from the Football Supporters Federation for the anti-franchising T-shirts.

Our funds, at the end of September, stood at £15,725. That sum has since increased. Lee Willett pointed out that, whilst that may seem a lot, we had a similar balance this time last year, which was spent on the ICM opinion poll, ground design and the “it’s time to bring the Dons home” marketing campaign. Therefore, a healthy bank balance is useful for a rainy day or meeting unforeseen contingencies.

5. Elections
Nicole announced two vacancies. Peter Bowles, whilst wishing to remain on the committee and contribute to its work, has other commitments at present and feels it necessary to give up his additional responsibilities as treasurer. In addition, Karen D’Amico had recently resigned. Her design expertise, in particular, will be greatly missed. Candidates who had come forward were:

Treasurer: Sean Fox
General committee: Dave Boyle

A vote was taken and Sean and Dave were duly elected.
6. Report on WISA’s recent activities and debate on current and future plans

6.1 Meeting with Adam Crozier – 26 September, 2002
Nicole reported on the recent meeting with Adam Crozier (AC) she attended with Lee Willett at FA HQ. A lot of hopes had been raised by AC’s comments in the press – his surprise and disbelief at the commission’s decision and how wrong it was. However, by the time of the meeting, he had obviously talked to the FA’s lawyers. He made it clear there was no route through the FA rules to overturn the decision. As much as he claimed to be against the decision, he reiterated there was nothing he or the FA could do as the commission was a legally binding arrangement between two other parties.

Lee explained that they had asked him some hard questions, challenging the FA’s legitimacy as the governing body for the whole game and the possibility that the FA had allowed this commission to test the appetite for franchising in football. AC, unsurprisingly, denied these allegations. He spoke of the difficulties of getting a court to overturn the decision and confirmed the Wimbledon case was closed. He claimed the Wimbledon precedent could not be used by another club and intimated the FA and FL would liaise to tighten up their rule books.

6.2 WISA’s complaint to the Independent Football Commission (IFC)
To recap on the process: WISA made a formal complaint to the IFC. The IFC, on our behalf, ask the FL for an explanation. If that is not to our satisfaction, the complaint is referred to the FA. Progress to date: the FL wrote to us and the IFC saying it was not their fault. The complaint was then directed towards the FA. To date, we have not received no response.

6.3 Report on MK-related activities
Ian Pollock summarised the current state of play with Franchise’s proposed move to MK.

- Temporary move
Despite the fact that Franchise were granted permission by MK Council in September to construct a temporary stadium at the Bowl, the FL (who have had 2 meetings since then) have not given the club permission to move to this temporary stadium. Their inaugural match in MK on Boxing Day clearly can’t happen and they have resurrected the idea of the hockey stadium. Therefore, the MK project is going nowhere fast at the moment and we are doing our best to try and slow it down.

- Permanent move
The second stage of the MK local plan has been published and we have submitted our objections – on planning, rather than emotional, grounds. We hope to be able to speak at the public enquiry the Council will be holding some time next year.

There is still no sign of a planning application to build a stadium at Denbigh North. In addition, Asda have said they want to submit their own planning application – this is expected to be called in by the Secretary of State, which would add another 2 years delay.

We have been taking advice from our members who are experts in this field and believe there is no chance of Franchise being able to fulfil its ambition of playing in MK in 2004.


A general debate emphasised the importance of the football authorities realising that this was the Selhurst scenario all over again – that was also sold as a ‘temporary’ move. The consensus was that the move should be obstructed using every legitimate means at our disposal whilst we continue to encourage supporters of other clubs to boycott Franchise games at Selhurst.


6.4 Media coverage

General
Dave Boyle commented on his experience since taking on press officer work for WISA. Some journalists understand the situation and need little, if any, encouragement from us to treat some of Koppel’s statements with the derision they deserve – his claim that the atmosphere is better at Selhurst these days, for example. But Franchise also has good contacts in Fleet Street. Our aim is to persuade journalists to check and question their press releases, rather than just unthinkingly regurgitating the spin issued by Brunswick.

Media coverage motion
Sean Fox introduced the following motion:

This meeting congratulates the Wimbledon News on its principled decision to cease all coverage of Franchise FC and to cover AFC Wimbledon instead.

This meeting notes the continued coverage of Franchise FC by a number of London-focussed media companies, for example, the South London Press and the Evening Standard.

This meeting agrees:
1. To instruct the WISA Committee to write to all London media groups to clarify their editorial policy on coverage of Franchise FC
2. Further, to call upon them to recognise that Franchise FC is no longer a London club and should be treated as any other club outside of the area would be
3. To support and publicise a boycott of any media that refuses to amend its editorial policy

This motion generated some controversy. The opposing theory (put chiefly by Laurence Lowne) was that a more softly-softly approach to the local media could be more productive and cited the example of David Buchan’s change of stance. Buchan, a sports writer with the Wimbledon News, had angered many Dons supporters with his criticisms of last season’s protests and his assertion that AFC Wimbledon would never take off. He had been forced to publicly recant and no longer reports on our games. The paper itself, as we know, is now totally supportive of AFCW. Laurence (and others) therefore postulated that continuing to talk to the likes of the South London Press (SLP) and showing them the positive sides of AFCW would lead to an eventual change of heart and reporting.

Some suggested that individuals writing to the SLP’s advertisers might be more fruitful.

After further discussion as to whether an approach to the local press as suggested in the motion could be interpreted by an editor as telling him what to do – and the likely reaction if that was the case – Sean offered to withdraw the motion and defer it until a future meeting. This was agreed.

6.5 Boycott of Franchise FC
Lee explained that the committee have been debating how best to get the message across to supporters of other clubs, primarily should WISA head its own campaign or be seen as supporting the Football Supporters Federation (FSF) in a national campaign? Dave Boyle, as Vice Chair of the FSF, described the organisation as “a head without a body”. There is national recognition and the ideas and will amongst the executive to promote a range of issues, including the opposition of franchising, but more individual members who could play their part were needed.

Ideally, there should be a FSF representative at every club. This suggestion was made at a FSF meeting in Doncaster the previous Sunday attended by Dave and Ronan Warde. It was not deemed practical at present but individual ISAs were encouraged to nominate a rep.

As far as the anti-franchising campaign is concerned, the suggested plan is as follows. Six weeks before Franchise host Club X, the FSF will write to FSF members who are supporters of Club X. They will be asked to write to their local newspapers, websites, etc., explaining why fellow Club X fans should boycott the Selhurst game. WISA’s involvement would be doing the legwork – assisting the FSF in drafting and sending the letters or emails. The advantage of this approach is communication from the national fans organisation removes the perception that this is just a Wimbledon fixation perpetuated by a bunch of sad obsessives who can’t let go and emphasises the dangerous precedent now set.

This proposal was warmly received by the meeting and it was further agreed that we should send our members application forms for individual FSF membership and encourage as many as possible to join.

7. WISA sponsorship of AFC Wimbledon game
Colette Mulchrone explained that WISA wish to sponsor a match at Kingsmeadow. The particular match is to be confirmed with the club but it is likely to be in March and will be a Saturday rather than midweek. The plan is that all members will be entered in a draw and the first ten numbers drawn (plus one guest each) will enjoy the hospitality of an AFCW sponsors day. The cost (£1,000) would be borne by WISA. This was agreed.

8. AFCW matters
The meeting was invited to put any questions or comments to the various club officials present.

? What are the prospects of getting Plough Lane, or the money paid for it, back?

Nicole (not a club official but a member of the Dons Trust’s Stadium Working Group) commented that the figure quoted for the sale of Plough Lane last week was £14m. The property developer who bought the site does not have planning permission so Plough Lane remains a possibility, albeit not the most promising possibility.

Lou Carton-Kelly confirmed that she had met Sam Hammam some time ago and asked for the money back. He has not done so and it is something we are not going to forget.

? Tickets for AFC Wallingford were supposed to include a programme but these had to be bought separately on the day

Kris Stewart explained that Wallingford planned an inclusive entrance and programme ticket price but then discovered how much the cost of printing 1,000 programmes would be. By this stage, there was insufficient time for us to notify our supporters, other than putting a message on our website.

? A few people questioned the attitude and behaviour shown by some Dons supporters, e.g. some of the taunts made by those standing behind the goal (home and away) and arrogant “big time Charlie” comments, such as chanting “who are ya?” or patronising the efforts made by other clubs within the CCL.

Kris thought that whilst most things were going well, there are a few problems and the club would like to discuss these matters with the WISA committee.

? What is the tax status of AFCW and the Dons Trust?

Erik Samuelson explained that the Dons Trust cannot be made a charity and, ultimately, we have to pay taxes, plus a significant amount of VAT. We do though take professional advice to mitigate the tax liability as far as possible.

? It has been suggested that Wallingford may not have the funds to upgrade their ground and may secure a groundshare arrangement instead. What are the rules on groundsharing in the Ryman league?

Kris explained the rule is a club cannot enter into a groundshare arrangement in order to gain promotion. That would seem to preclude Wallingford going into a groundshare because they cannot get their ground up to scratch in time.

Kris then gave a rundown on the promotion routes to Ryman League Division 1. There are 3 feeders into this division: Ryman League Division 2, CCL Premier Division and the Minerva. From these 3 feeder leagues, 4 teams (in total) are eligible for promotion – 2 teams from Ryman 2 and 1 each from the CCL and Minerva. The teams from these feeder leagues eligible for promotion are those finishing first and second.
If we finish as league champions, we would be very close to being guaranteed promotion. If we are runners-up to a club whose ground is not up to Ryman standards, we have a very good chance of promotion. A third place finish would not be sufficient.

Clubs applying for promotion make a formal application to the Ryman League in the first week of February. We would need to have a 3 year groundshare agreement in place. An application to join Ryman 2 next season has not been ruled out.

9. Any other business

WISA constitution
In reply to a request that we present the next meeting with a proposal to change the wording of the constitution, Nicole confirmed that a review is on our list of tasks.

Violence at Wallingford game
Nicole asked if there were any concerns about events at Wallingford. Points were made that it was possible to get into the ground without paying as tickets were not checked and the public could enter the bar whether they were attending the match or not.

Lou explained that she and Kris had met Kingston Police the previous evening. They were very supportive and it was agreed that we would arrange a meeting with police representatives from Kingston, Thames Valley, Surrey and South Norwood, together with the CCL and FA safety expert. The Chief Inspector of Kingston Police will encourage CCL clubs to change venue to a nearby Ryman standard ground if their home ground is not suitable – safety is paramount. Lou also told the meeting that Wallingford were embarrassed, hurt and upset.

Reminders
? Merchandise is available in the back bar at Kingsmeadow on matchdays

? WISA representatives are on duty in the back bar on matchdays

? The Stand Up For the Dons event is next Saturday at Wimbledon Theatre
10. Pub
A number of local hostelries played host to Dons after the meeting.

 


 

 
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